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Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« on: September 19, 2016, 12:15:50 PM »
Does a human being have to believe something to prove they exist?  This would make the ability to formulate a belief (perhaps in the absence of logic or evidence) a necessary pre-requisite to qualify as a person...

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 03:08:17 PM »
Well, which is it though? Exist or qualify as a person?

We can prove we exist just by holding out our hands. Qualification as a person is an interesting question. People who believe in nothing are at the very least stunted, numb and jaded. They are lodged into their own sub-hierarchy of those who can be saved and those who are lost forever. Some were even born lost. But is it also dehumanizing to rid a man of his faith? Is this lack of personage something that can be done to someone? Yep. I see it all around me. That is what has been done to the people at large. They have no real beliefs other than what is convenient. Their belief is in convenience. They are always on the precipice of faithlessness by offering only the most venal and banal of things to believe in, presented as the gold standard of all beliefs.

This thread could go on for centuries discussing the nuances of differentials in damage done.

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 09:36:55 AM »
I guess qualify as a human being.  I get the argument about rocks and tree stumps having a physical form.  I don't think you are home sapiens without the ability to believe.  Maybe this is a psychological rather than a physical inquiry. 

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2016, 12:51:59 AM »
Does a human being have to believe something to prove they exist?

They have to form thoughts, which are a type of belief, so: yes.

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2016, 07:25:46 PM »
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They have to form thoughts, which are a type of belief, so: yes.

Succinct and something I never thought of.

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2016, 05:05:19 PM »
My goodness. What a truly weird thread.
Why would it matter? To whom would 'proof' be offered? And why?
The premise makes no kind of sense to me.

Do I exist? I don't care. How can I prove I exist? Why would I bother?
It doesn't matter.
Period.


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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2016, 02:26:01 PM »
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Do I exist? I don't care. How can I prove I exist? Why would I bother?

Death really is a terrifying notion to most people unless they have the correct conditions going in or they are already in its icy grip. From what I gather from most normies, they don't know the difference between their experiences and imaginings. They are afraid that they are light as air and that they will disappear at any given moment if they "forget" to exist. I think we can both connect this to previous discussions about thinking, can't we? I still like thinking, though. I am caught between you and Brett, similar though the two of you may be.

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2016, 03:05:54 PM »
It's that fear of death, that precludes being able to live.
I can report that moving beyond that fear, is eminently possible.
It does seem to involve, though, being in a position where death is such a momentary certainty, that one has no choice but to accept it.
In other words, becoming so completely terrified that you move right out the other side of it.

Not popular stuff, to be sure.
But possible.


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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2016, 04:57:56 PM »
In other words, really living means being in the position, eventually, to accept that you are not immortal and that death is a very real possibility that you have got to come to terms with.

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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2016, 06:52:51 PM »
Nothing more than acceptance. Again the secret key: "It is what it is".
No matter your feelings about death, there's nothing to be done about it, other than live.
In fact living is the only thing you can do.

Ever notice how many zombies there are?


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Re: Is Belief a pre-requisite for existence.
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2016, 07:44:03 PM »
You could kill yourself if you really wanted to.  :D