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vir

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De-porning sex
« on: August 08, 2014, 10:20:23 AM »
This topic is controversial and probably icky. Sorry about that.

My whole life, I've seen the "sexy" thing as demeaning. Both to women, who have to act like prostitutes to be seen as desirable, and to men, who then are expected to behave like golden retrievers finding a steak when some woman takes her clothes off.

I guess people like me are more geared toward what I'm going to call Jane Austen sex: see a woman, realize she as a soul and a person has intelligence and spirit, then become attracted to her. You are attracted to the person as well as the body, and the former has sway over the latter.

In the modern time, the body has sway over the person itself, and so you have the MRA/PUA people chasing after vapid whores and congratulating themselves for scoring more of them than others. But at that point, you're eating fast-food cheeseburgers and missing out on the actual women themselves. As people, as souls, as minds.

Anyway, was looking for some input on this from others.

First, attraction: how does one make the sanity of the whole person choice prevail over the vapid?

Second, the sex act itself: do we want people acting like prostitutes, or sex to be a more stately and elegant procedure that involves more affection?

Finally, are there some sex acts that are too porny? I hate to agree with feminists, but the old school ones were not fond of the degrading Max Hardcore stuff that has become common today, such as ejaculating on a woman's face or sodomy. Some are even split on oral sex, which was originally a favorite of prostitutes for its cost/benefit tradeoff (a fast act brings in more customers per hour, thus more money).

Does the porning of sex make us all into commodities?

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2014, 07:25:29 PM »
Prostitution has always existed, so "cheap sex" isnt going to go away. Better off recognizing that and ask ourselves what is the most realistic path forward is. Sluts are a part of life, they are not relationship material, but effort expended for having your Johnson go spelunking should be minimal and opportunistic.  Men who don't get laid act weird and autistic, seen it in myself and others time and time again. So go fuck a hoe if she's around, thats why she exists.

Personally I think porn is great. Rather than walking around with a boner in one hand and a rambly stream-of-conscious manifesto in the other, it provides relief against a horde of stupid, ugly, fat harpies. By doing so it minimizes the necessity of Gavin to associate with low quality women and thus overinflate the egos and sexual value of low quality women.

High quality women are absurdly difficult to find and there is a ton of competition. Lets cut off the chaste crap before someone shoots up his school being volkisch.

Porny acts like Cummings on face aren't a big deal since women like being degraded by men anyways which is one of the few things most women get right.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2014, 08:28:06 PM »
I don't see what your statement really contributed here.

At this point in time, marriage is a bad bet for men, anyways. Romantic love is hormone-driven fleeting bullshit (platonic love is not) and the institution of marriage probably came about to ensure parental guidance for children. Nowadays it has developed into being a form of social control against men.

My views on sex are nothing new and share more in common with pre-Christian pagan thoughts. For all the "neoreactionaries" who didn't get the memo, pre-Christian sexuality was often power-based and chastity (AFAIK) was only (usually) important for marriage-quality women; though, I am sure if you were a chick in that time period of a high-enough social standing nobody would care if you made that buff slave lick your clit.

Not that the Christian view on sexuality is terrible per-se (though it often is, especially so for Catholics)  I just don't find it realistic and historically speaking the odds are against it. It's all just wishful thinking, this stuff about love, soul-mates, living eternally in heaven with the one you "love."

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2014, 09:39:00 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw

Check out this Vice documentary on Colombian donkey sex. It's a good window into the "sexual marketplace" and societal standards.

In these hick Colombian towns, the young men are all "Catholic". They grow up not having any sex or beating off so they resort to donkeys. The society at large doesn't frown on this.

In America, the situation is similar, but the "donkeys" are your high school and college sluts. Instead of waiting until their 20s to marry, men wait until their 30s due to high financial expectations and poor job outlooks. They settle for third rate whores who took 20 dicks on the way to getting their college degree.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2014, 09:40:27 PM »
You believe in a form of animalistic chaotic rutting that is intrinsically distasteful to real people.

It's unsurprising you believe in it because you think it's all that is possible; that is usually the case. Most people who succumb to hedonism seem to have thrown in the towel on the idea that anything better is possible.

http://www.amerika.org/darwinism/are-you-third-world-or-first-world-in-bed/

http://www.amerika.org/social-reality/reproductive-health-of-populations-kr-strategies/
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r strategy: breed chaotically, frequently, and invest little in offspring;
K strategy: breed deliberately, with partners for life, and invest a lot in the offspring.

Sluts are r strategists, e.g. nonstrategists. Breed like an r, end up producing dumb, narcissistic, reckless children — a path to the third world.

Traditional values (home in first world nations!) emphasize not only K strategies, but finding a transcendent reason to see and amplify beauty in it. We call that love.

I am aware of r and k breeding strats. I am also unaware of me suggesting you should have children with sluts.

I am also aware of human history and recognize that many kings who have had "divine right" have had many bastard sons.


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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2014, 09:41:31 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VKWLC87Uzw

Check out this Vice documentary on Colombian donkey sex. It's a good window into the "sexual marketplace" and societal standards.

In these hick Colombian towns, the young men are all "Catholic". They grow up not having any sex or beating off so they resort to donkeys. The society at large doesn't frown on this.

In America, the situation is similar, but the "donkeys" are your high school and college sluts. Instead of waiting until their 20s to marry, men wait until their 30s due to high financial expectations and poor job outlooks. They settle for third rate whores who took 20 dicks on the way to getting their college degree.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2014, 09:53:29 PM »
it will impact who will want to marry you, how much they will trust you, what level of distaste they will harbor towards you for your past acts, THEIR loyalty, and how much your kids trust you not to run off and stick your dick in a college freshman and abandon them if shit gets rough.

I think this is ultimately where the greatest impact lies: separating sex and love creates an environment perfect for transient pleasure but ill-adapted to trust. Promiscuity is an assault on love itself.

As far as pursuit of pleasure goes, I think it's a bad thing if that's all there is. Pleasure in life is found through accomplishment. Looking for sensation alone leads to only more of the same, which is fleeting sensations without connection.

I'm not even sure sex is important as a sensation. It does not expand the mind. It does not offer the hedonistic brain-rush of a great idea. Most of its impact is, in my experience, social. One has made the accomplishment, feels a pressure released, and the brain echoes with enthusiastic approval of the herd.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2014, 09:59:47 PM »
A few more thoughts on sex:

Penguin makes a good point that being chaste until marriage shows a real commitment. Teenagers can't really justify "testing the waters" given the amount of time they spend spanking it and looking up information about sex. That "testing the waters" just produces more broken people with ugly pasts, illegitimate kids and herpes.

Why would you want a society of marriage material and second-class whores if you could in some way have a society where there are only first class people?

Porn creates a lot of used up whores. Why not animate it so artists have more creative control instead of ugly old steinenwitzenbergs trying to sneak trannies into your spank bank? Women's novels and anime porn can be pretty sick, but at least they're not directly harmful.

Plus most porn is boring and requires a dude in the scene. I don't want to look at an old man's balls while he humps away at some hooker. It's not right.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 10:02:57 PM »
I am aware of r and k breeding strats. I am also unaware of me suggesting you should have children with sluts.

I am also aware of human history and recognize that many kings who have had "divine right" have had many bastard sons.

But your promiscuous rutting impacts reproduction and marriage: it will impact who will want to marry you, how much they will trust you, what level of distaste they will harbor towards you for your past acts, THEIR loyalty, and how much your kids trust you not to run off and stick your dick in a college freshman and abandon them if shit gets rough.

On top of that, it makes it less likely that people who are worth a crap will ever bother to stop and attempt to have a family - why would they if they can do as you say, and fuck around for free like it's no big deal?

The whole practice makes a man morally suspect and far less likely to ever create a healthy family. Your sexual ethics are a retarded dysgenic nightmare. You need to understand that.

Your view of this matter is effeminate.

I do not have sex much, last got laid 2 years ago by a coworker whose mouth I came in, but I will not turn down easy sex with a female I am around because I am a male, and thus horny, and will take easy pickings. Granted, that female was in high demand as I won over males who made probably 4x what I do because even in my beta state I understood a semblance of seduction and game. She was not of moral significance, but since when has a woman wow'ed others over such intellectual matters, anyways.

Women do not give a shit about male chastity, in actuality, they will find you suspect on being unable to have found a previous female to have found you worthy of engaging with of the act. Women find men, who have had constant female attention, of prime value if she can net him. Women do not work like men. mentally. They want a guy who is in high-demand and that suggests prior-experience in sexuality.

The idea of love and healthy-families has always been a male creation, woman is too unphilosophical and uncaring to ever worry about the depth of her actions.  She doesn't love her husband, but she'll love her offspring, whomever fathered them.

Either way, we're in a weird situation where men indiscriminately choose sexual partners but definitely are selective of breeding when it comes to long-term mates, while women only fuck "the best" and the definition of what their "the best" is is fairly awful. All men should have a paternity test on their children because a woman's word cannot be trusted on this matter.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2014, 10:05:26 PM »
it will impact who will want to marry you, how much they will trust you, what level of distaste they will harbor towards you for your past acts, THEIR loyalty, and how much your kids trust you not to run off and stick your dick in a college freshman and abandon them if shit gets rough.

I think this is ultimately where the greatest impact lies: separating sex and love creates an environment perfect for transient pleasure but ill-adapted to trust. Promiscuity is an assault on love itself.

As far as pursuit of pleasure goes, I think it's a bad thing if that's all there is. Pleasure in life is found through accomplishment. Looking for sensation alone leads to only more of the same, which is fleeting sensations without connection.

I'm not even sure sex is important as a sensation. It does not expand the mind. It does not offer the hedonistic brain-rush of a great idea. Most of its impact is, in my experience, social. One has made the accomplishment, feels a pressure released, and the brain echoes with enthusiastic approval of the herd.

Sex is unimportant but it is an instinctual need and neglecting it causes mental problems. Especially with BroJo the 92 IQ jock gets and you don't. Y'know?

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2014, 10:09:47 PM »
A few more thoughts on sex:

Penguin makes a good point that being chaste until marriage shows a real commitment. Teenagers can't really justify "testing the waters" given the amount of time they spend spanking it and looking up information about sex. That "testing the waters" just produces more broken people with ugly pasts, illegitimate kids and herpes.

Why would you want a society of marriage material and second-class whores if you could in some way have a society where there are only first class people?

Porn creates a lot of used up whores. Why not animate it so artists have more creative control instead of ugly old steinenwitzenbergs trying to sneak trannies into your spank bank? Women's novels and anime porn can be pretty sick, but at least they're not directly harmful.

Plus most porn is boring and requires a dude in the scene. I don't want to look at an old man's balls while he humps away at some hooker. It's not right.

#1 Marriage wuality women don't even really care about it, never heard of that TBH

#2 Requires total male intervention in breeding. We call it patriarchy.

#3 Used up whores have existed, probably since from pre-history. Ideology does not change that. Women are women, men are men. One of the first civilizations that ever existed has a story where a goddess went cray-cray and punished a mortal man for not fucking her. Shit doesn't fucking change at all.

#4 In general the act of sex requires a man anyways.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2014, 10:23:08 PM »
I didn't say that to be insulting, though I am sure it probably seemed such, but you seemingly cannot separate your ego from it. This is why is do not call myself "neoreactionary" or any such ideological terms, because what we are dealing with requires a complete and utter lack of ideology.

From experience anyone who says "this is over" while offering nothing further comes from a defeated position. Hell, at least insult me and call me a pig fucker for some saving grace on your part so I don't wake up tomorrow sober (and hungover) and laugh having won soundlessly in the disadvantage of thought that is inebriation.

In response to you editing your post after my response (which in all honesty I believe you were just rewording), the only PUA I follow is Roosh V who I view as the only honest one based on his ability to have an awkward, vulnerable sense of honesty. Though the common point of your edits is vitality which I don't remember questioning... sounds like something you over-read into and took offense, probably based on some sort of inner-held cognitive dissonance in your worldview that hasn't yet fully resolved itself.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2014, 10:28:19 PM »
#4 In general the act of sex requires a man anyways.

'tis better to do than to watch.

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2014, 10:29:43 PM »
#4 In general the act of sex requires a man anyways.

'tis better to do than to watch.

Unless they have the herps ;).

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Re: De-porning sex
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2014, 10:35:20 PM »
I don't know where this weird redpill shit about "a woman can't fell tr000 love for a man" comes from. Even secular science recognizes a love produced from monogamous physical bonding over a long time.

Are women "not philosophical" or is it just more a man's job to express what you call love as a provider and protector?