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vir

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Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« on: November 04, 2014, 02:36:03 PM »
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The principle of family begins with the ideal of love, which is not so much desire as it is affection and admiration. The woman who achieves this role will be someone the man can respect as -- if not an equal -- a partner and comrade, and admire for her mind, her soul and her abilities. Any masculine man will also as part of his need for conquest and expression of power demand also a partner in the role and act of sex, who stimulates him at a level that an admirable woman cannot. She must be sensual and achieve for him not only release, but competition, a type of battle at the level of sensation and stimulation. For this role ancient men chose concubines, or physical women who gave themselves to that role and surrendered all other, and kept them in separate capacity to that of their wives. -- Clan of the Archangel, "Sexual Mastery and the Satanist"

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 04:49:08 PM »
Jung: "The prerequisite for a good marriage ... is the license to be unfaithful."

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 06:04:25 PM »
Yeah, no, I'll go ahead and stay faithful to my wife.

The rest of you people do whatever you want, but I know what I'm going to do - and what I'm not going to do.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 06:11:52 PM »
Every woman needs a loving husband. And a stud.

vir

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 09:23:57 PM »
Kind of reminds me of Homer. Odysseus ranges the Mediterranean, nailing a few goddesses in the process. His wife waits patiently and chastely for him at home. No word on what his sheep did.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 10:07:48 PM »
We live in terror that something, somewhere, might not be fair.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 04:18:23 AM »
We live in terror that something, somewhere, might not be fair.
If your personal environment isn't fair, it ends up ruining your society from within.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 10:03:36 AM »
If your personal environment isn't fair, it ends up ruining your society from within.

I think "fair" is an illusion.

I think what ruins society from within is something else entirely.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 10:32:46 AM »
Thoughts like the original quote carry with them two truths and a lie.

The lie is that sensual passion is something virtuous women are not capable of.

This lie rests on the fundamental belief that passion is evil.

I not only believe passion and virtue can coexist, but that to achieve happiness they MUST, and that a person will be miserable to the extent that they possess one quality without the other. The original quote is foolishness to me.

Why marry a woman who does not inspire your lust? Do you WANT misery?

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 10:34:43 AM »
If your personal environment isn't fair, it ends up ruining your society from within.

I think "fair" is an illusion.

I think what ruins society from within is something else entirely.
Who can feel safe, spending everyday surrounded by people he exploits?

It's a hell for everyone.

vir

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 10:59:13 AM »
From Nietzsche -> Machiavelli/Kautilya here:

1. Even if you do not exploit them, they will attack you if you are higher in stature than they are; if you are of equal or lower stature, they will exploit you.
2. If left up to their own devices, anything lower than you will do something stupid, thus perpetuate dysfunction.
3. If not exploited, the herd has excessive energy of its own to spend on stupid and thus destructive things.

This is why our forefathers invented the caste system: you either put the smart in charge of the dumb, and exploiting them, or the dumb overrun them.

If anything, the Revolution came about from a failure to exploit the impoverished horde.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2014, 08:44:21 AM »
Outright adultery should be illegal, as it traditionally was, for a reason.
But strict monogamy is unnatural for males.
A man who can afford the upkeep should sire many children.

http://laurabetzig.org/pdf/JFH95.pdf

Notice that successful males had most children, who joined the general population. The break with the custom coincides with the rise of sentimental domesticity and society breaking free of the Malthusian trap.

vir

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2014, 11:06:48 AM »
Interestingly, genetic transfer can occur without copulation. I remember a story from the Greeks about this, of a wife passing on her husband's seed to a deserving woman.

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2014, 11:39:35 AM »
strict monogamy is unnatural for males.
Strict monogamy is unnatural for women too. If you look at surveys, there are far more women who fantasize about group sex than there are men. The very idea, that a woman could desire to fuck multiple guys, simply because she's attracted to multiple guys and enjoys sex, seems completely alien to many guys.

Slut-shaming is mostly done by women, not because they see promiscuity as bad, but because they suspect another woman would monopolize all penors. Remember, a woman needs a few secluded minutes at best, to render a man unavailable for sex for days. That's the same reason women hate porn by the way.

Thus:

Every woman needs a loving husband -- and a stud -- and another stud -- and a dildo for when the whole village is flaccid.

vir

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Re: Every man needs a loving wife -- and a concubine
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2014, 12:41:48 PM »
That makes sense in computer science land -- which imposes a kind of autistic thought process via the debugging loop -- but not for us: men and women are different, with different roles.

That's the whole point: money and popularity rely on equality, but reality does not.