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Simir

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The latest from the increasingly tedious #GamerGate is a few accounts have been suspended including the ever popular though neoconnish wit Milo Yiannopoulos. Others rumoured as blocked are Janet Bloomfield, Mykeru Media and Jordan Owen (I haven't heard of any of them tho.)

Its not clear whats going on yet, but it touches on a wider problem... techies.

Well what exactly has this to do with tech nerds?
IRL most liberals, never mind people who are not liberal, regard SJWs as a joke.
Tech nerds are just about the only people take them seriously.

In itself it would be of no interest if Twitter's automated ban system temporarily took out, say, Nero or Thunderf00t.
But why was someone like Greg Laden never suspended after making personal threats?
The banning isn't neutral.

The answer is because the culture surrounding tech is inherently biased.
Everyone has bias, and the truly arrogant such as tech spergs can't even see their own.
Yet I keep hearing Moldbuggians talk how good Silicon Valley is, just because most tech nerds are white.
This is the only evidence - lack of ethnic diversity.

Who cares?

The whiteness of Silicon Valley types is just a symptom of 'progressive' hypocrisy. Even talented races like East Asians are outright excluded from tech, else get second rate pay. But less affluent whites still get unwanted diversity thrust in our faces, cause we need the lesson in tolerance.

Techies are in fact as odious as they are comical. And social media is censored at their whim.

BackstabbingHeretic

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2014, 12:49:08 AM »
Just wanted to say that I admire what the Japanese did for Asia in WWII.

Simir

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 01:23:44 AM »
Just wanted to say that I admire what the Japanese did for Asia in WWII.
In what way?

Their attempts in Asia to create the co-prosperity sphere?
Or inadvertently setting the stage for Communism in mainland China?

They must be judged for both intention and outcome, in the end.

BackstabbingHeretic

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 02:20:12 AM »
Just wanted to say that I admire what the Japanese did for Asia in WWII.
In what way?

Their attempts in Asia to create the co-prosperity sphere?
Or inadvertently setting the stage for Communism in mainland China?

They must be judged for both intention and outcome, in the end.

Established military supremacy over Indonesia and Papua New Guinea, for example, which looks good to a (hypothetical) Neo-Nazi who is not too resentful over the bombing of Pearl Harbour etc. To me it is entirely a question of race relations; if you'd like to discuss it from an economic perspective I would have to ask you to put the same question to someone else who can give you a more knowledgeable answer :)

P.S. What is an SJW? :)

Simir

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 02:37:43 AM »
In honesty, when in the tropics the Japanese fared poorly down to poor logistics. Japanese soldiers died due to their lack of access to quinine which the Empire possessed but failed to deliver.

In some parts of Asia Japanese occupation is either seen positively (Taiwan) or resentment is stirred up from outside to divide Asians living today (South Korea.) And if you look how some of  the Euro colonials treated the southeast Asians on the plantations, its easy to see why such countries don't vilify Japan today.

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SJWs are an extreme fringe political subculture that exists only online, kind of like Stormfronters, or Objectivists. The difference is that New Media especially Gawker have been pushing SJW nonsense as clickbait. New Media is of course run by tech nerds, at a time when real life leftist newspapers like the Guardian are shifting rightwards.

Definition & explanation
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW
http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw

Examples of SJW behaviour
https://twitter.com/TrustedTrevor

Carjack

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 08:27:08 AM »
Rightists who don't take GamerGate seriously are underestimating the potential of SJWs. They're weak now, but they've gained the full reach of the leftist media slander machine.

Best policy is to amplify their signal at the mainstream right. Bring overwhelming opposition upon them, and crush their dreams and websites before they become a real thing.

vir

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 09:34:42 AM »
The answer is because the culture surrounding tech is inherently biased.
Everyone has bias, and the truly arrogant such as tech spergs can't even see their own.

Silicon Valley is a small strip of prosperity surrounded by urban decay.

However, what one has to look into is nerd culture, with remnants of hacker culture.

This has two salient facts:

(1) It is highly insular, based on rituals, activities, language and abilities.
(2) It is extremely rule-based, moreso than hacker culture.

SJWs gained entry through media by learning these rituals, activities, language and an approximation of abilities.

Tech culture is mainly weak because of so few women. One attractive woman can whip them all into a fury.

The rule-based nature leads to them making broad, rigid, rationalistic statements and considering those to be reality.

This is the eternal tension in tech between hackers (organic) and controllers (rule-based).

Both use the same languages/technologies, but see them in radically different ways. SV went from hacker to controller in mid-1990s.

Regarding East Asians, my eternal sentiment is that all racial groups deserve their own spaces, free from judgment. But they are all foreign to me and belong in their own lands.

vir

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What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 09:38:09 AM »
Social Justice Warriors are both (a) a subculture and (b) an attitude, like its predecessor SWPL (stuff white people like) which applies to "precious" attitudes which armchair white people fawn over:

SJWs are an extreme fringe political subculture that exists only online, kind of like Stormfronters, or Objectivists. The difference is that New Media especially Gawker have been pushing SJW nonsense as clickbait. New Media is of course run by tech nerds, at a time when real life leftist newspapers like the Guardian are shifting rightwards.

Definition & explanation
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SJW
http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw

Examples of SJW behaviour
https://twitter.com/TrustedTrevor

How to crush them:

Rightists who don't take GamerGate seriously are underestimating the potential of SJWs. They're weak now, but they've gained the full reach of the leftist media slander machine.

Best policy is to amplify their signal at the mainstream right. Bring overwhelming opposition upon them, and crush their dreams and websites before they become a real thing.

Leftists respond to studies, arguments and other verbal or technological tropes.

Debunking the SJWs as what they are, which is grandstanding selfish people, is essential.

The main ways to do that are (a) show their plans fail and (b) show their self-interest.

To a leftist, revealing self-interest means the game is up, because they argue from collective interest or that of pitied groups (women, minorities, sexual non-conformists).

It invalidates their argument, both on a linguistic and rule-based level.

scourge

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Re: What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2014, 10:01:40 AM »
indymedia.org is probably ground zero. They've been SJW central for well over a decade. Unfortunately, adbusters, who were once going places around the late 90s and 2k, dropped the ball and eventually followed suit as well. However, the social justice posturing is much more than an online presence even if it is primarily so for the most part.

Exilarch

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Re: What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2014, 10:48:53 AM »
I vote for the John Galt option. SJW culties are universally incompetent and dependent on others to support them so as to keep them sufficiently insulated from reality.

Refuse to do it in any way you can. Don't buy their stuff, don't watch their media, don't take them seriously online (but prevent them from finding or infiltrating your site), don't hire them in real life, don't work for them, don't take their contracts.

The natural state of delusional people is to freeze and starve in unbroken wilderness, the main reason we're not there now is because we reality oriented people give fools food they could never find or produce and shelter they never could construct.

What if we stopped?

In learning to build cob, an overwhelmingly hippy infested hobby,  I was elated to find that I was intrinsically better at not just building but in guiding others to build because I am a more practical human. The other members of that community come up with retarded, impractical designs based on ideology or some lizard brained delusion they got during their morning yoga that they interpreted as divine revelation from the Earth Mother. Despite having the best teaching, these people are miserably ineffective at building. Surely this extends to other arenas of life.

Outside of physical and practical matters, it seems wisest to simply make sure SJWs don't know you exist, just as is the best strategy in dealing with all other mental defectives, parasites and congenitally destructive goons.

Edit: no, if it becomes essential to directly engage the hive, vir's strategy is best. I admit it.

Carjack

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Re: MetalGate, GamerGate, ComicGate, SciFiGate and the psychology of SJWs
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2014, 11:08:14 AM »
Techies ruined hacker culture. They coveted the title so much that they created linguistic abominations like "life hacker", which basically defines everything from gender reassignment surgery to sticking a straw in a gallon sized Mountain Dew bottle as "hacking".

Back in the day, a nerd or hacker was like a wizard, manipulating the hidden powers of mysterious computers that nobody else understood. Now they're pseudo-autists who operate Apple products that don't require any specialized knowledge.

vir

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Re: What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2014, 11:26:37 AM »
In learning to build cob, an overwhelmingly hippy infested hobby,  I was elated to find that I was intrinsically better at not just building but in guiding others to build because I am a more practical human. The other members of that community come up with retarded, impractical designs based on ideology or some lizard brained delusion they got during their morning yoga that they interpreted as divine revelation from the Earth Mother. Despite having the best teaching, these people are miserably ineffective at building. Surely this extends to other arenas of life.

It does and I think they acknowledge it through their parental relationship to society at large. They want it to provide for them, but be able to rebel against it in perpetual adolescence. They need it to be both conservative and forgiving (socialism, lack of consequences generally) to provide this role.


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Re: What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2014, 12:49:55 PM »
I've found that this type really self-destructs if you call attention to their 'privilege.'

scourge

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Re: What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2014, 03:49:21 PM »
The problem here is the same. More publishing exposure is needed. A great strategy will remain ineffective if nobody is aware. SJWs have an information cadre. They crowd into a high exposure discussion space, hijack the discourse for months and years and game the system rules to their advantage. NR/NRx is getting the hang of the strategy but has yet to attain either consistency or mastery.

A hurdle specific to the proposal is that some SJWs are actually employed in news reporting and they moonlight in volunteer SJW activity. This is true of indymedia where some journalists and ex news people collaborated to create a platform that isn't subjected to the pro-Israel and pro-business filter of the mainstream media. The subculture overall contains assets who are versed in the propaganda and dissemination trade. Again, NR/NRx have a handle on the trade but no consistently applied expertise.

I'd say these type of people have found a niche they are particularly suited to. It comes naturally and effortlessly. The neoreaction side hasn't shown its aptitude or interest in this area.

vir

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Re: What are Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) and how do we crush them?
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2014, 06:59:22 PM »
They crowd into a high exposure discussion space, hijack the discourse for months and years and game the system rules to their advantage.

Portraying them as media elites or tools thereof seems to work. It reveals that their "altruism" is actually self-interest, which debunks it.